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Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #406061 is a reply to message #406057] Wed, 07 October 2009 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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raven wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 18:59

I say that because I personally don't want anything to do with the matter. In my opinion clearsh0t shouldn't even be a moderator but that's an issue we have to solve as a community, not here. I also never said a thing about you owing apologies to anybody, I'm not sure why you're bringing that up with me.

I'm just saying it so that Roni and anyone who agrees with him that I owe Jelly an apology might start seeing how many people in their own community owe me one for much better reasons.

raven wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 18:59

I'd like a list of every Jelly moderator that you think has treated you unfairly, starting with myself of course, along with the reason why you think you were treated unfairly. I keep seeing you say this and you say it's about half, I want to see facts to back up your statements.

Yourself? That's easy, although a little masochistic, because I actually decided I'd keep fairly quiet about it. Your moderator Msgtpain, as you know, has had a furious grudge against me for several years, and has continuously attacked me for no justification. (He's TRIED to justify it based on a lie about a very old community match - non00bs vs the pitts - in which he said I behaved badly in regard to a cheat accusation. That was completely untrue - I asked for a screenshot, which incidentally wasn't posted). Usually I just let him rant aimlessly, but every now and again I reply pointing out how full of shit he is. He replies calling me a liar blah blah blah. I'm a little sick of him at this point so I just blow the whistle on his cheating tendencies.

Between you and cunalinga, you deleted my post and locked the thread, then you threatened to ban me (and threw in a personal insult into the bargain). Bafflingly, though, his ridiculous lies against me were allowed to stand, even though the rebuttal blowing them out of the water was deleted.

That's not all you've done, of course. Perhaps you remember when bluelabel decided he wanted to organise a comm match in my community's name. For a great many reasons I said: this is not clanwars.cc asking you, and I gave you all those reasons. You deleted my posts - all of which were civilised and clear - and insulted me yet again. I asked you: let's say someone decided to organise community matches for jelly, without permission from jelly himself or you or TD or whoever. Let's then say this someone had cheated in the past, and was doing a terrible job of organising this comm match, and clearly had no confidence from "his" players. Wouldn't you want to say something? What if this happened at clanwars and I deleted your posts and then insulted you for sticking up for your community?

raven wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 18:59

I don't quite know how to put this any differently than I have before; the nicknames were fair game for anyone to register, Jelly beat everyone to the punch and has run a great community on these nicks for years. You don't share this opinion because you've made yourself unwelcome there. Tough shit for you; you did it to yourself.

You try to cram several different statements into one paragraph here, so it is necessary to separate them.
"the nicknames were fair game for anyone to register, Jelly beat everyone to the punch". OK, so this is your justification for the monopoly. Odd, because I don't think this is what XWIS wanted to happen. Also, you need to answer to my analogy about if EA said: "First person to reply gets to make a patch on Renegade!" or my analogy to the guy who took all the Renegade serials.
"and has run a great community on these nicks for years". Same sentence, totally different point. This doesn't mean anything to anyone outside the Jelly community. This doesn't justify, or require, an a00 name.
"You don't share this opinion because you've made yourself unwelcome there."
I've made it very clear why I don't share this opinion. Try actually reading my actual objections to the monopoly.
"Tough shit for you; you did it to yourself."
How very pathetic. If you actually check those pointsfix debates, you'll see me behave very courteously in the face of unbelievable provocation. People are pissed at me because I hold a different opinion and because they get angry at losing arguments. Neither of these is a crime.

raven wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 18:59

What if I wanted the Spoony nickname and it was already taken? I had grandiose plans for that nick but it's taken =( I know what I'll do, I'll try to seize it forcefully by making threats and trying to gain public support! Ridiculous, right? Well that's pretty much what you're trying to accomplish here; albeit the nicknames are a bit better than the "Spoony" nickname.

I can't believe you just tried to use this as an argument. I think I hear a barrel being scraped.

You can register eight nicknames for yourself. If you register a name someone else wants, the worst that can really happen is they don't get it. This DOESN'T PREVENT YOU making a new name for yourself. Jelly taking all the a00 names DOES DEMONSTRABLY harm other communities; for starters it DIRECTLY means no new servers have a chance of flourishing unless he smiles upon them.

raven wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 18:59

You still have yet to answer me as to why you went after Jelly specifically, when others own the other half of the front page. What's the real reason behind all this?

Oh, you're saying "Jelly isn't the only offender, just the biggest one by far", are you? Well, Nightma has a couple but I've talked to him and he said he'd be OK if the situation was reformed somehow.

raven wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 18:59

Also, you have no idea how hard it would be for me to change all my scripts and coding around for new nicknames for the other servers. My ban system is fully integrated to the direct connect checking scripts which all have the server nicks hardcoded into them at some point. I no longer have the source so I'd have to recode everything which I don't plan on doing.

harder than a new community having a chance of getting new players? i fucking doubt it. but you've never had to try doing that, which is why you didn't think it is a problem. believe me, I used to be under the same misapprehension.


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