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Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #406339 is a reply to message #406319] Fri, 09 October 2009 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Spoony wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 15:50


you say: but it's justified.

I said you bring it on yourself becasue you know the attitudes of most people at Jelly. I didnt say it was justified. This is another problem of yours Spoony. You twist words and invent these stories and present them as fact. Then use them over and over.

Oh, so you admit it's NOT justified then?

Are you willing to admit you knowingly bring it on yourself? You post, or visit, a place you aren't welcome for what ever reason. People there generally don't like you, or the way you conduct your opinion pieces. You know for a damn fact your opinion is going to start a flame war there. As my example you chose to ignore, You walk into a Bar and try to tell them their lifestyles are wrong then wonder why you are on the verge of being barred from there.

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PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Spoony wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 15:50

well, neither of these actually puts me at fault.

Of course! You are never at fault. This is what i meant about whether you ever considered the fact you are wrong.

What an absurdly hypocritical contradiction.

You put yourself at fault for putting yourself in the situation. If you need me to elaborate I will later.

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You give two reasons why I should be treated with contempt by the Jelly community - I point out that neither of these actually constitutes me doing something wrong, and your reply is "OH YEAH YOUR NEVER WRONG ARE YOU?!?"

Speak for yourself.

I'm starting to feel like a broken record here. You Entered an establishment you are not welcome in. They haven't banned you so you are able to do so. However you continuously post things that you know will agitate them. Pointsfix, something about CW.cc here or there that you know they don't care about or want to hear. This puts you at fault as you are the instigator. You know what will happen when you do it so don't be surprised with the outcome.

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PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

I barely know Clearshot and have never been part of a clan but i still know about this drama becasue you repeat it ad'nauseam every chance you get.

Ah, so the problem ISN'T that a jelly moderator lied to the community again and again and again to make me look bad, and the rest of the community let him get away with it (in some cases actually lying to help him get away with it)... the problem is I caught him redhanded and pointing out how utterly pathetic it was?

I know nothing of this so I won't even bother getting involved.

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PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

What you are saying here when you break it all down is that you would rather the Jelly community flame and show astonishing levels of contempt to mgstpain. I suppose we all love a good roasting, as long as we are not the ones taking it.

No, I didn't say I would particularly enjoy a lynch-mob aimed at msgtpain.

I said I'm rather surprised at the Jelly community's apparently total indifference to a moderator cheating while being a moderator, and continually lying to everyone to cover himself while doing so. But when they see someone with different opinions on the pointsfix, or someone daring to speak out about their control of the gamelistings, grab a stick and get in line, eh?

If you don't want to see him lynched then why bring it up? As I said they will flame you there apparently for saying Hi. What makes you think the will read past title=Spoony and give 2 shits what you say? My best advise to you is stay away from there.
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PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Spoony wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 15:50


clearly nobody can grasp the solid fact that if you wanna use the pointsfix in your own community, i don't care. really, i don't.

I think everyone has got it by now.

That's not the impression I get.

Then Repeat it in 28 Font bold italics in hot pink, cause that's the only way it can get anymore clear.

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PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Spoony wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 15:50

but many people in the jelly community have proven they DON'T want me to choose to use the pointsfix in mine.

I dont think i have seen anyone trying to stop you using the pointsfix in your server. Unless you mean clanwars again and in which case, that was a community decision.

Read what I said to Roni. He couldn't think of a response and was too humiliated to try... see if you can do better.

Has to do with clanwars I'm not getting involved.
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PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

I personally couldnt care less what you decide to do in your servers. I only care about your threats to steal Jelly's server nicks for your own purposes and the bad mouthing of my community on these forums.

I personally couldn't care less about how Jelly servers are run, or even how the forums were run (it really doesn't bother me that the community's full of bullies who treat people like shit when you've done nothing wrong to them). I only care about their strangehold on the game listings and their fanatical inability to even maturely debate the issue at all.
Still...
"I only care about your threats to steal Jelly's server nicks for your own purposes"
Untrue.
"and the bad mouthing of my community on these forums"
Not only untrue but grossly hypocritical.

In the first post I offered from around this time yesterday 3/4 of jelly's actual servers had people in them. Out of the remaining 4 being n00bstories, Atomix, Exodus, and n00bless
3 had players and 1 I got made fun of for counting because it had 1 person sitting in the server trying to get others to join. After those servers in the list there are 10 servers listed with 3 servers having people. 1 has 1 player and is grayed out. This is the sort by name listing btw.

In the Sort by Player count the Top 3 are in Jelly's Name range.
The following 5: 1 begins with a w and then storm, cloud, Then 2 more jelly name range servers. All in all out of the 18 servers there were 6 from the Jelly name range and 3 of which were Jelly Servers.

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PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

And, there is no established authority for Jelly to answer to.

There's TT... but more to the point, there's the community.

TT considers itself answerable to the community. We proved that with the pointsfix. Jelly has made no secret at all of the fact they DON'T consider themselves answerable to the community.

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Crimson says that TT have control of XWIS so in effect, you could go ahead an do it right now anyway. So, why dont you?

Precisely because we're better than the Jelly community.

I, personally, am quite satisfied with this thread's outcome. If anybody was in any doubt that the Jelly community is completely unqualified to manage this responsibility, they only need to look at this thread. They can then look at TT's track record, which is far superior in every conceivable sense.

You say I'm attacking jelly here? Don't need to, it's done a very good job of attacking itself.


I know this is probably gonna piss you off, but I still Can't stand the thought of someone basically doing a redistribution of wealth on someone because of his server names. This point is null and void with 3.4.4 and Jonwill said 4.0 is more stable than that. So after the TT patch, will you then return the legally registered names back to jelly that you have decided he "cannot fairly manage".

Also if TT removed the server names from jelly they would in all fairness have to do it to everyone in the top 18 as they are all a00 names and I'm sure the a00 names stretch farther down. You mentioned that after this you don't believe that Jelly deserves a spot in the top. Thats fine if that's your opinion, but why stop there? Why not punish everyone benefiting from the nics. Clearly they are Using something that you consider acquired unfairly. So axe them all to the bottom of the list. That puts us where? Where does it stop? When Xwis let you register you had up to 9 nics you could register. He did 8 and if I read Crimsons reply correctly he Gave one to her so he now has 7. So now that leaves n00bles, Atomix, and Exodus essentially homeless. I don't think n00bless would be worse off as Hex said a majority of his people are gamespy users. So that's 6 servers and 3 communities you, in all fairness, must banish to the bottom of the list. Yes this is an extreme case scenario. I do admit you most likely won't go this far. Seriously where is it going to stop? So you get 7 of the top 8 names, why stop there?

If this is done I personally would not be surprised if you stopped seeing communities in Ren. If you came in and seized my shit I would not even bother resetting and just take my community on to other games away from this drama filled game.

Ren is hurting for more players...why not get rid of a few communities that have active players as this is what I foresee happening.

If you think I'm taking things to far, then this is probably how the Jelly Community is seeing your actions. 1 person speaking for an entire group who is out to Punish 1 Community for something that frankly is a point that holds as much water as a fishing net. Unless that is you have no faith in your patch.
 
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